Are staffs are inferior to wands? - Page 4 - Guild Wars Forums

Narcissus · May 26, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Staves are not universally "Better" if you just happen to get a rare one. It all boils down to what you need and what you don't.

For my Elementalist the +20% recharge rate reduction on the 11-22 wand plus the +20% fast cast/+20% recharge rate redution on the foci is far better than any staff I might ever possibly find.

+enchant duration? Meh. Great for those that need it. Good thing I don't.
+few points of energy? No need when I have an max energy of 69-81.

Lim-Dul · May 26, 2005, 09:59 PM // 21:59

The only point here being that boni don't stack so you don't get a +40% bonus on anything by using a wand and a focus. =)

In the end we all come to the conclusion that this discussion is pointless, as it's really only a matter of preference.

ShadowStorm · May 26, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

Staves are mostly useless... unless you make them yourself... I've never "found" a staff that I'd ever consider using over a Wand/Focus just because the only Staves worth using over the Wand/Focus Combo are practically impossible to find. Like others above have said, though, collectors have staves that come with +20% recharge and +20% casting built in and can still be upgraded. I'm currently using a perfect damage, perfect energy, 20/20 staff upgraded with an Insightful staff head +5 and a staff wrapping of Fortitude +30 because I haven't yet found a focus or wand in my school of magic that has the +15 energy, -1 energy regen mod. And until I find one of those, the staff is actually better for me... Just my thoughts.

Unheard Echo · May 26, 2005, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Hey, just wondering whether or not to put some runes on my staff. I thought it was pretty damn good until I came in here with everyone's +15 energy and 20% this and that. Its a Plain purple "Fire staff" +10 energy, 11-22 damage. Should I be looking for insightful staff heads and staff wrappings of fortitude? Does it pay to apply my minor runes to it, or should I save them for something better?

Lim-Dul · May 27, 2005, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Minor Runes are SOOOO easy to get - apply them to anything you want to.

Btw. +15nrg -1 regen sucks. Would never use a thing like this. I prefer not-overly-deep energy pools with good energy management - and -1 arrow of regen makes nrg management A LOT harder.

Unheard Echo · May 27, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Thanks for the tips man

taion · May 27, 2005, 02:29 AM // 02:29

There are no staves requiring healing prayers. Those that give bonuses to healing prayers spells require divine favour instead.

As said before, you can easily "find" perfect staves/wands/foci just by using the collectors.

Valerius · May 27, 2005, 02:33 AM // 02:33

so there is no Staff u can get from a Collector that gives +20% Casting Speed using Healing Prayers and +20% Skill Recharge using Healing Prayers?

grimmolly · May 27, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valerius

so there is no Staff u can get from a Collector that gives +20% Casting Speed using Healing Prayers and +20% Skill Recharge using Healing Prayers?

Taion answered your question. Pay attention.

doucrix · Jun 18, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Here's my Protection Monk's staff:

Here's my Air Elemental's staff:

only in staves can we custom to our needs...

Eclair · Jun 18, 2005, 07:08 PM // 19:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valerius

so there is no Staff u can get from a Collector that gives +20% Casting Speed using Healing Prayers and +20% Skill Recharge using Healing Prayers?

None, has been found yet. However, my question to you is why would you need such a staff? Healing prayers spells cast almost instantly and recharge almost instantly anways lol

ratatass · Jun 18, 2005, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratatass

I have yet to use a two handed staff in any profession. And I have never seen anybody use one either. No staff, ever would make up for the Energy + items....so far as I have seen

Ratatass

This was posted LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago its an old post.

Now the staffs are great!

WHY ?

1) 3 modifiers, fortitude, fire, u name it.
2) Staffs with +12 energy
3) Same damage as Wands

The best, yet is that I have found that the requirements are pretty low, my low level is running around with a +10 energy 11-22 Damage Staff with 3 modifiers on it. When you can add +5 armor to it and your armor is 15, HEY thats good!

So just want to clear up that staffs now are great! No more disadvntage using a staff.

Ratatass

Adraeus · Jun 18, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Wand/focus. I'm rather attached to +15 Energy, Improved Casting Rate, and Improved skill recharge... altogether I have around +25 Energy. What's the highest you can go?

Red Locust · Jun 18, 2005, 08:14 PM // 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by doucrix

Here's my Protection Monk's staff:

That earth staff right there is the money shot. If I'm not mistaken, only staves come with the "20% longer enchantments" mod, and that mod is probably the best mod around (especially for a prot. monk). But that staff you got is one sweet ass item. How much did it cost you?

KvanCetre · Jun 18, 2005, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Here's what I see:

My fire wand is +15 energy
My focus item is +12 energy

There is no +27 energy staff
On a staff, I can get +4 armor and, only missing one upgrade, seem to max out at about +30ish health.

I'd take 27 energy over +30 health any day and "decrease skill recharge 20%" anyday.

In addition, I use Conjure Flame to make my regular wand attack (almost) as powerful as flare.

KainShadow · Jun 18, 2005, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Locust

That earth staff right there is the money shot. If I'm not mistaken, only staves come with the "20% longer enchantments" mod, and that mod is probably the best mod around (especially for a prot. monk). But that staff you got is one sweet ass item. How much did it cost you?

I've a Sword and Bow upgrade "20% longers the Enchantments".

btw
Now i've 2 configurations
the staff of my previous post for "soloing" (+10 armor )
and
this for PVM in group:

Focus +12 en
20% fast cast fire
20% recharge fire
+
rare fire wand
11-22
10% fast cast (general)
or
collector fire wand
11-22
20% recharge fire

codemeister · Jun 18, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

nothing beats my 20/20 staff with +22 and +21 hp

RizzleR · Jun 18, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45

here's my staff how i got it orginal

put a +5 energy staffhead on it now

no wand that can measure up to this for me /edit : yet

Red Locust · Jun 18, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Does that +15 energy fire wand come with a - energy regen? And either way, you're trading 17 energy for 20% longer enchantments. That energy is moderately useful at the start of a battle. Monks usually hover around the 5-10 energy mark during combat, so you're not seeing as much return on that 17 energy. A 20% longer lasting spellbreaker, healing seed, protective spirit or mark of protection, on the other hand, makes all the difference.

M Dew · Jun 18, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58

I currently have a +1 energy holy rod (I will take all the energy I can get, fast cast means nothing to me if I do not have the energy to cast something.) please do tell if it has the - regen part. And if that does have a -1 regen whats the highest the energy bonus's go for wands before -1 regens show up on them.

Jun 18, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03	#70
doucrix Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2005	Staff Examples Here's my Protection Monk's staff: Here's my Air Elemental's staff: only in staves can we custom to our needs...

Jun 18, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45	#78
RizzleR Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	here's my staff how i got it orginal put a +5 energy staffhead on it now no wand that can measure up to this for me /edit : yet Last edited by RizzleR; Jun 18, 2005 at 08:49 PM // 20:49..

May 26, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53	#61
Narcissus Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Carolina, USA Guild: Evolution Profession: Me/A	Staves are not universally "Better" if you just happen to get a rare one. It all boils down to what you need and what you don't. For my Elementalist the +20% recharge rate reduction on the 11-22 wand plus the +20% fast cast/+20% recharge rate redution on the foci is far better than any staff I might ever possibly find. +enchant duration? Meh. Great for those that need it. Good thing I don't. +few points of energy? No need when I have an max energy of 69-81.

May 26, 2005, 09:59 PM // 21:59	#62
Lim-Dul Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe -> Poland -> Warsaw Guild: Alea Iacta Est [AIE] Profession: Me/W	The only point here being that boni don't stack so you don't get a +40% bonus on anything by using a wand and a focus. =) In the end we all come to the conclusion that this discussion is pointless, as it's really only a matter of preference.

May 26, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31	#63
ShadowStorm Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Take me where I cannot stand. Guild: The Better Part of Valor Profession: W/N	Staves are mostly useless... unless you make them yourself... I've never "found" a staff that I'd ever consider using over a Wand/Focus just because the only Staves worth using over the Wand/Focus Combo are practically impossible to find. Like others above have said, though, collectors have staves that come with +20% recharge and +20% casting built in and can still be upgraded. I'm currently using a perfect damage, perfect energy, 20/20 staff upgraded with an Insightful staff head +5 and a staff wrapping of Fortitude +30 because I haven't yet found a focus or wand in my school of magic that has the +15 energy, -1 energy regen mod. And until I find one of those, the staff is actually better for me... Just my thoughts.

May 26, 2005, 11:58 PM // 23:58	#64
Unheard Echo Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Guild: [LBS] Profession: W/	Hey, just wondering whether or not to put some runes on my staff. I thought it was pretty damn good until I came in here with everyone's +15 energy and 20% this and that. Its a Plain purple "Fire staff" +10 energy, 11-22 damage. Should I be looking for insightful staff heads and staff wrappings of fortitude? Does it pay to apply my minor runes to it, or should I save them for something better?

May 27, 2005, 12:19 AM // 00:19	#65
Lim-Dul Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe -> Poland -> Warsaw Guild: Alea Iacta Est [AIE] Profession: Me/W	Minor Runes are SOOOO easy to get - apply them to anything you want to. Btw. +15nrg -1 regen sucks. Would never use a thing like this. I prefer not-overly-deep energy pools with good energy management - and -1 arrow of regen makes nrg management A LOT harder.

May 27, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43	#66
Unheard Echo Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Guild: [LBS] Profession: W/	Thanks for the tips man

May 27, 2005, 02:29 AM // 02:29	#67
taion Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pasadena, California Profession: Mo/	There are no staves requiring healing prayers. Those that give bonuses to healing prayers spells require divine favour instead. As said before, you can easily "find" perfect staves/wands/foci just by using the collectors.

May 27, 2005, 02:33 AM // 02:33	#68
Valerius Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canada Profession: R/	so there is no Staff u can get from a Collector that gives +20% Casting Speed using Healing Prayers and +20% Skill Recharge using Healing Prayers?

Jun 18, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03	#73
Adraeus Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: LLJK Profession: R/Mo	Wand/focus. I'm rather attached to +15 Energy, Improved Casting Rate, and Improved skill recharge... altogether I have around +25 Energy. What's the highest you can go?

Jun 18, 2005, 08:17 PM // 20:17	#75
KvanCetre Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Madison Scouts Profession: E/Mo	Here's what I see: My fire wand is +15 energy My focus item is +12 energy There is no +27 energy staff On a staff, I can get +4 armor and, only missing one upgrade, seem to max out at about +30ish health. I'd take 27 energy over +30 health any day and "decrease skill recharge 20%" anyday. In addition, I use Conjure Flame to make my regular wand attack (almost) as powerful as flare.

Jun 18, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44	#77
codemeister Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005	nothing beats my 20/20 staff with +22 and +21 hp

Jun 18, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52	#79
Red Locust Site Contributor Join Date: May 2005	Does that +15 energy fire wand come with a - energy regen? And either way, you're trading 17 energy for 20% longer enchantments. That energy is moderately useful at the start of a battle. Monks usually hover around the 5-10 energy mark during combat, so you're not seeing as much return on that 17 energy. A 20% longer lasting spellbreaker, healing seed, protective spirit or mark of protection, on the other hand, makes all the difference.

Jun 18, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58	#80
M Dew Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	I currently have a +1 energy holy rod (I will take all the energy I can get, fast cast means nothing to me if I do not have the energy to cast something.) please do tell if it has the - regen part. And if that does have a -1 regen whats the highest the energy bonus's go for wands before -1 regens show up on them.